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Coupon Abbreviations
  • SC = Store Coupon
  • MC = Manufacturer Coupon
  • SS = Smart Source
  • RP = Red Plum
  • PG = Proctor and Gamble
Coupon Terms
  • WYB = When You Buy
  • B1G1 = Buy One Get One Free
  • .75/1 = 75 cents off one item
  • .75/3 = 75 cents off three items
  • EXP = Expiration Date

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brita rebate

Update: Brita has pulled the rebate.

There are some great coupons and a $10 Mail-in Rebate for Brita Water Pitchers!  Used together, they make some Brita products FREE!

 

Walgreens

Brita Pitcher, $16.99
-$4 off Brita Pitcher or Faucet Mount, SS 1/15
-$2 off Brita pitcher (Walgreens coupon), 48 oz 3 pk., January Walgreens coupon booklet
-$10 Mail-in Rebate
(Makes it only 99¢)

Walmart

Brita 5 Cup Pitcher, $8.97
-$4 off Brita Pitcher or Faucet Mount, SS 1/15
-$10 Mail-in Rebate
(Makes it a $5 moneymaker!)

Kmart

Brita 5 Cup Pitcher, $8.99
-$4 off Brita Pitcher or Faucet Mount, SS 1/15
-$10 Mail-in Rebate
(Makes it a $5 moneymaker!)

Target

Brita Faucet Mount System, $16.99
-$4 off Brita Pitcher or Faucet Mount, SS 1/15
-$5 off Brita faucet mount, (Target coupon) printable
-$10 Mail-in Rebate
(Makes it a $2 moneymaker!)

Harris Teeter

Brita 5-8 Cup Pitcher, $12.79
-$4 off Brita Pitcher or Faucet Mount, SS 1/15
-$10 Mail-in Rebate
(Makes it a $2.21 moneymaker!)

Be sure to keep your receipt and your Brita product’s UPC code to send in with the rebate.

    • Becky P.

      Yea!

    • Rebecca

      If you did this rebate back in october can you do it again now?

      • Hjrsunflower

        I was just wondering the same thing.

        • Dtcox1

          me too would like another one

        • Tabby

          Same here. I would like to get one for my son

    • Anonymous

      I was just talking the other day about getting a Brita pitcher

    • Elizabeth

      Is this the same rebate from the deal back in September?

    • KrzyK0311

      I did this back in September and still haven’t received my $10.  Be patient people.  It takes a long time.

      • Me too! I just got my rebate check yesterday! Yay!

      • Dtcox1

        i got mine  friday hope i can do this again

      • 3rdjohnfour

        I just got my check this past week!  Yippee!  Be patient!  It will come!

      • ME

        I just got mine this week, too!!!  Takes a loooooong time, but you will get it.

      • Me

        Didn’t get mine and checked online, couldn’t find anything about my name/address…called them and they apparently lost mine.  They wouldn’t let me fax my copies or resend, instead they are sending me a $10 off Brita product coupon.  Guess that is better than nothing.

      • Brandi

        I did it then also and just got my check last Sat. so it might still be on the way!

    • Emily

      yay! i’ve been wanting a Brita filter but I’m too cheap to pay that much for one! :)

      • Mandymandy

        read the rebate for carefully it says ‘offer not valid on brita botlle and  brita replacement filters

        • Erika

          ??? I think she meant the faucet mount…not the replacement filters!

    • Gsucno

      I also believe there is a walgreens coupon in the january coupon book for 2 dollars

    • Savingalot

      what about cvs’s i think is on this weeks sale too

      • Anonymous

        My CVS ad says 14.99 get 5EB

        14.99

    • craftaway

      Looking at the Target -4 and -5 I don’t believe you can use both coupons can you?

      • Jackofall

        Yes, you can. One is a manufacturer and the other is a Target Store coupon, that’s called Stacking, which is what’s makes your savings much better! Happy Shopping!

    • ME

      I did this last year….is this a new one?  Can I get this rebate this year, too?

    • Jackofall

      I can’t watit to get this. What an awesome deal!

    • DianaY19

      Am I missing something?  Where is the rebate?  All I see is a form to register for the brita challenge

    • Vpkillebrew

      how do you get this mail in rebate form?

    • dawn

      im not seeing the rebate. I click link and it sends me to sign up for brita challenge but nowhere do I see anything about a printable rebate form. Am i missing something??

      • Vpkillebrew

        did the same thing to me

        • Momatozz

          I had trouble too, the link finally worked for me. 

    • Annie

      I can’t find the rebate form…

    • Lovinme

      OFFER NOT VALID ON BRITA BOTLLE AND BRITA REPLACEMENT FILTERS

      • Erika

        Wait, why are you posting this? Is the 5-cup one a bottle?

        • Erika

          It does say “Pour Through” Pitcher…so if the 5 cup one is a dispenser or bottle, you can’t use the rebate on it.

    • Cdavis53007

      Wheres the form??

    • Cdavis53007

      Wheres the form??

    • No rebate form…are they all gone?

    • No rebate form…are they all gone?

    • Tindall08

      I just got mine. try clicking on the Brita mail in rebate form listed under the stores

      • Annie

        Under the stores? 

        • Annie

          Nevermind! Got it!

    • DianaY19

      I just got it.  I clicked on the link above that said  – printing it now. 

    • MWPCV

      I am having trouble finding the target coupon – does anyone have a working link?  Is it not available anymore?  Thanks!

    • Amber R.

      I did this last time they had it. I just got my check. Can I do it again??

      • Me

        I read on another site that you could do it once per calendar year.  Don’t know if that is true or not.

    • Dawgs_fan_2000

      What about CVS and their deal?  You get 5 in ecbs if you do it there?? or am I reading it wrong?

      • Plus you get the larger pitcher!!!!

    • Sooosally

      What does SS mean?

      • Cookie

        Smart Source coupon.  Check their website or your Sunday paper

    • Britt

      Is the rebate form gone already? It only allowed me to sign up for the Biggest Loser Challenge. I didn’t see anything about a rebate.

    • Anonymous

      above you see the printing it now. This is a pdf form. Left click the wording “printing it now”, right click on save target as, then save. another screen will come up at the bottom your page asking to open the file, open and you can see the pdf file. click print. I am using Windows 7 but it works almost the same with XP..the XP will give the option to put the link on the desktop, which is OK then it will automatically open in Adobe so it can be printed.

      • On a MAC. “Right” click the “Printing it Now” link in the body of the post. File will download in your “downloads” folder. Double click the file when it’s finished downloading. Then print! Yippie!

    • Cam

      Thank you for posting! What a great deal!

    • debbie

      I love you!!!!!! I’m running to walmart!

    • Wrininkai

      Has the $4 off coupon from SS already expired. . . I can’t seem to find it? Please let me know any details to find that coupon!!!

    • Debbie

      Ok, there is no Brita coupon in my SS coupons today.. :(

    • guest

      I don’t have the Brita coupon either!!  :(

    • Debbie

      It’s only available in selected area’s!!!! poo, knoxville has the worst water ever and I only use Brita products!

    • Lsylte

      Anyone get the 1/15 SS $4 Brita coupon?

      • Guest

        It’s in the Charlotte Observer. I got it.

        • Dianne

          Thank you! I didn’t get it in 12/4. I am headed out just for this and didn’t want to waste a trip. Now I know I won’t! :)

    • Jennifershort78

      No coupon in my smart souce! Not fair

    • Guest

      Anyone know how much the replacement filters for the pitcher are and how long a filter lasts?

      • Wrininkai

        here in Atlanta the refills run about $8.50 for the single pack, $13.?? for the 3 pack, and $17.?? for the 4pack. The filters last up to 2 months, or 40 gallons. You determine how many gallons have been used based on the size of your pitcher. Things in my area are more expensive; so if you are not from the Atlanta area, this could possibly help you estimate the prices(s). Hope that helps : )

        • Guest

          Thanks for the info.

    • Suzy Payne

      In Atlanta Journal Newspapers today.  ?? Only inserts are one SS and one Publix Yellow Advanage this Sunday 1/15/12 ??  That is all I could find in my paper.

    • Anonymous

      I don’t know if this will help anyone… I did not get the coupon in todays paper  but did some investigating and found one in the SS for 12/04.  So glad that I can participate in this deal!

    • Shsa1982

      Got my coupon in the ANC and went straight to walmart and grabbed my pitcher. They only had two left, and I’m sending off for my rebate tomorrow. Thanks!

    • Lamize

      It’s in the SS from the AJC, today.  I found it…

    • Sillysnicks

      Anyone have an extra coupon they want to trade?  Email me! sillysnicks at bellsouth dot net

    • Pam

      No -$4 in the SS in The State in Columbia, SC!  Bummers!!!

    • Ed In Ncarolina

      Not in Greensboro News and Record ss 01/15 or 12/04.

    • Bonnie in Birmingham

      No coupon in the Birmingham News :(

    • Couponer

      Not a coupon in my paper the state (Columbia) :(!

    • Carmen B.

      Does anybody wants to trade 3 glade $3.00 off the sense and spray for 2 $4.00 off brita coupon? You can e-mail me to roplayer@att.net

      • Sillysnicks

        which coupons do you want?

      • Waxxyy

        im new at this do we scan the coupon and email it to you or we give eachother our address’

    • Charmed_horseshoes

      No coupon in either the Tallahassee Democrat or the Albany Herald SS inserts : (

    • Vanphi20

      No coupon in the Miami Herald Broward Editon for SoFla :(

      • Lisa

        Please check again, I received a coupon in the Miami Herald but not in the Sentinel.

    • Kcreviews

      CVS makes it a money-maker also. $5 ECB when you buy one for $14.99, use a $4 coupon, and then get $10 back.

      • Lknak80

        where did you find it for $14.99? Is it on sale? I looked up on the website and they are $20.99.

        • TaMara Simon

          I looked up the ad online and it says the classic pitcher or 3-pk filter replacements are on sale for $14.99. When you look online, make sure you click on “Weekly Store-Ads” in the upper right hand corner. If you just search for it, you won’t see that it’s on sale.

    • Jla00

      no brita in the macon telegraph : (

    • HeidiLiz85

      Not in my AJC or my parents Gwinnett Daily Post :(

      • Brock’sMommy

        It was in my AJC, on the same page as LouAna oil

    • She Coupons

      Got my Brita Pitcher today from CVS with all the coupons and ECB’s. Sending the rebate tomorrow! I am very pleased with the taste of the water after running it through the pitcher! I live in the Houston, TX area and the water here is sooooo crappy tasting from the tap so i’m glad I bought this pitcher! We were spending sooooo much money every week on bottled water and now we don’t have too :) 

    • Nana

      No coupon in Charleston SC paper bummer

    • Collinsfam

      I would also be willing to trade for the Brita coupon if anyone is interested. collinsfam@yadtel.net. Let me know what you’d like in it’s place. I got the form printed offline but no coupon in the paper.
      @yadtel:disqus 

    • Looking at the rebate form, I don’t see any dates within which your receipt/purchase must fall – I only see the expiration date.

      Tempted to try sending in a receipt from early 2011 (or was it late 2010) when we bought our picther . . . I think I’ll try!!  :)

    • Smith_am87

      Wasn’t in the Tuscaloosa News either. I am willing to trade for one. Email me at smith_am87@hotmail.com and let me know what you would like. Thanks!

    • Steph

      Does anyone know if we could use a certain area’s zip code and print it from the SS site?

    • Sswann

      No coupon in the WS Journel or GBO News & Record.  Did anyone get it in Charlotte, NC?

    • Sunshine_4_jt

      Went to pick my pitcher up at wal-mart last night, except their price was $18 for the 5cup pitcher not $8!!!  The bottle with filter (like a nalgene bottle) was priced at $8, but the rebate doesn’t work for that!

      • me

        I had the same problem. Really beginning to not like Walmart at all. The bad part about it is that the pitcher was in the 8.97 spot and they wouldn’t give it to me for that price. Grrrrrr……..

        • cduck

          i think that walmart does that on purpose….there have been numerous times where things are put in the wrong spot and then they don’t honor the price… i hate walmart and refuse to shop there……

    • Anonymous

      I just got my check back from the last rebate – can we do it again?

    • Cheryl

      Got my 5 cup pitcher from Walmart yesterday. Cost $5 after the $4 coupon. Sending off my form so I can get my $10 rebate….Thanks Jenny!!

    • Dianacannon89

      I have 6 extra of the Brita coupon email me at dianacannon89@yahoo.com if you want to trade I am interested in baby products smart balance milk $1.50/1 everything really except pets!

      • Shelandon

        I would like one! I’ll e-mail you..thanks!

      • Tccinnc

        Hi Diana. I’m interested in two of the Brita coupons if you still have them. I have smart balance q’s and baby q’s that I will share with you, as well. Just let me know at tccinnc@nc.rr.com if we’re able to trade. Thanks, Teresa

    • Jenniferwest7568

      i never got my check from the last rebate. =(

      • Anonymous

        it took about four months for mine to come….

      • Jessica

        Mine JUST came last week!

      • Jillthepill2u

        I took advantage of the last offer.  Can I do this one as well?  Or will they count the past one as the “1 per household”?

    • Yuliyaporter

      Hi, Ladies.  Does  anybody  have  an  extra  coupon doe Brita?  Did not  get  in  yesterday’s SS. Thanks. yuliyaporter@yahoo.com  Let  me know  what you are  looking for

      • Karyn

        I do and will send it if you would like…..Im new to couponing so just let me know how to send ;) 
        kbnmatt@gmail.com

    • Adj4464

      I’m new to couponing!  gonna try this tomorrow!  fingers crossed! 

    • Captaindewey

      no $4 off brita coupon in our ss 1/15 near Florence, SC…kind of dissapointing, I’ve been wanting a brita for a long time!

      • caej2009

        we didn’t get one either =( Instead I found an awesome lady on here to send me one! =)

    • Waxxyy

      im new at this do we scan the coupon and email it to you or we give each other our address’ when we want to exchange coupons

      • heatherfeather

        You have to mail the actual coupons. Scans/photocopies of coupons makes them invalid. HTH’s! 

    • Jillthepill2u

      Fantastic, thanks!

    • Anonymous

      I didn’t get a coupon either. As long as I can do this deal again, I’m looking for a coupon as well. I have an extensive list of trading coupons. Email is the.vickiest.of.all at gmail dot com if you have an extra!

    • Anonymous

      I have an extra brita coupon.  E-mail me at couponmoopy@yahoo.com if you want it.  First come, first serve! ;)

      • Anonymous

        It’s claimed.  :)

    • Karyn

      I have 4 extra that I can give….new at couponing so let me know how to send if anyone would like one.  
      kbnmatt@gmail.com

      • April

        Do you still have one left?

      • rosanna

        I need one please will u mail it or scan it Im not sure how it works

        • Kbnmatt

          I have one left….I have a scanner, however, never scanned anything to anyone. Just let me know. I’ll be up for a couple of hours. 

          • heatherfeather

            You can’t scan them, you’ll need to mail the actual coupon. Scanning/copying them isn’t allowed. :) 

    • kerry

      does anyone have an extra brita coupon? I would love to have one if anyone happens to have an extra. kerrytaft@gmail.com..thanks ladies!

    • Donna

      If someone happens to have another Brita coupon, I have 2 sets each of several coupons (Glade, Goodnites, Huggies, Depends, Pull-ups) from this past weekend that I am willing to trade. Please e-mail me at balsersmith@hotmail.com. Thanks!

    • Moe

      Thx for the rebate form ,Jenny-It’s no longer on their website! You’re the BEST! :)

    • Mullinax J

      No brita coupon on Greenville News…anyone have an extra they want to trade for something??? email me: mullinax.j@gmail.com

    • Joyce

      I need a Brita Q!! Does anyone have an extra?? I’m in upstate SC, just lmk! Thanks!!! jcooper1958@gmail.com

    • Joyce

      I need a Brita Q!! Does anyone have an extra?? I’m in upstate SC, just lmk! Thanks!!! jcooper1958@gmail.com

    • Ceraanngabel

      brita is no longer honoring this rebate!  :-(

    • GaPeach

      Brita pulled the rebate form under a week after this post, and on Facebook they are announcing that they will not be submitting any rebates.  Jenny, do you think Brita will experience any FTC backlash from this? In your experience, do you think Brita will re-honor the rebate in the name of stop-lossing the bad business reputation?  I’m curious because I still have my receipt and was going to submit my rebate today. Thank you for your help!

      • Brita is stating that they will honor all rebate, through the expiration date.  So if you have the form, go for it!

        • GaPeach

          Awesome, thank you Jenny!  I appreciated your original heads up regarding Brita’s rebate form, so I went ahead and downloaded it but wanted to wait until the weekend to send it off.  A few days later, I noticed the brouhaha on Brita’s facebook page, so I wanted to follow up with you.  Thank you again for your help – you and your blog are a tremendous blessing to me!!

    • Brooke

      Jenny, the brita facebook is really chaotic right now. They have pulled the rebate and are no longer honoring and saying that it was fraudulent because blogs posted the direct pdf of the forms rather than people registering. Now I got my rebate last week (I mailed it back in October) but I am confused as to why it is wrong that blogs are posting it on their website. People are either angry at brita or slashing out about your website and others (like the krazy coupon) lady for posting PDF’s. 

    • Kirstens2

      So please tell me where Brita says they will honor the rebate. Kinda ticks me off, they know that there are people who are gonna coupon this and also put it on their site. I mean it’s not like we are cheating them out, we are buying the product, sending in the UPC code and doing what they ask, why be snotty about it??

      • heatherfeather

        It’s on their FB page. They posted this morning that they WILL be honoring the rebates afterall. :) hth’s!

    • Pittresident

      signed up for the challenge and everything, but couldn’t see any form. Can someone mail me a copy please. Thanks,  pittresident@yahoo.com

    • brandy

      could someone please send me a  copy of the rebate for brita – i will give $4.00 coupon to anyone who gives me the form
      thanks

      • Jnb165

        did you get one yet? I didnt get the coupon in my paper. email me at jnb165@gmail.com

      • email?

        • Chrissy

          Please send me a copy of the brita rebate form. I had bought my pitcher and was not even aware that they had threatened to cancel the rebates. Now  I click the link to print but nothing comes up. Not cool!

        • chrissy

          Please send me a copy of the brita rebate form. I had bought my pitcher and was not even aware that they had threatened to cancel the rebates. Now  I click the link to print but nothing comes up. Not cool!Sorry, my email temozex at gmail dot com

    • Erika Sirgenson

      I just read on another blog site that Brita will no longer be honoring this rebate??? I’m trying to get clarification now.

    • Png1231

      I got a brita pour-through at CVS it is missing the filter and I just noticed the coupon inside say expires 2/13/99  makes you wonder.  Anyway…now I wonder if the UPC is the same.  Can anyone verify?  0-60225 – 35507-9
      Too far to take back so figure I will take my loss and mail in if the UPC is ok.

      Thanks

      • My UPC numbers are slightly different from yours, but I got mine at Rite Aid and it has a sticker that reads it was manufactured specifically for Rite Aid. mine are: 060258-35507-9

    • Maireasasser

      FYI  there is no coupon in the Walgreens book!!!!!

    • angela

      can someone send me a copy of the brita rebate form to ann_e97@yahoo.com thanks

      • Done. Look for my email: giraffecreations

    • 302799

      I have (5) Brita coupons .. need “diaper coupons” for an out-of-work neighbor with a newborn.

      Email me @ 302799 at G Mail dot Com

    • Pr1nces43

      Can someone please send me the rebate form?  Thanks a bunch.

      Pr1nces43@aol.com

      • kristina112989

        can some one please send me the brita rebate form as well? I had it pulled up on my computer, but it shut down before i could print.

        kristina112989@gmail:disqus .com

        thanks a bunch!!

        • Done. Be on the lookout for my email. giraffecreations

        • Kawayanagi32

          Hello, Can you sent me the rebate form please?

          kawayanagi32@yahoo.com. i hope the deal works!

      • Done. Be on the lookout for my email. giraffecreations

    • Patriciacole55

      Okay – unless you ALREADY signed up for the BRITA challenge via the BRITA website and received the rebate form in YOUR OWN email directly from BRITA — you should NOT be using the rebate form.
      Simple as that.

      This was for people who ALREADY signed up some weeks ago.
      Just imagine they had 50,000 allotted rebates forms.  Then the first 50,000 (I don’t know the figure, this is by way of example) would have received an EMAIL DIRECTLY FROM BRITA with the rebate form.

      When they reached that amount – the stopped offering the rebate.
      Pretty simple.

      It’s like a coupon.  EVERYONE KNOWS you canNOT copy a coupon and use it over and over and over again.

      Please – people — STOP ASKING for people to email you the rebate form.
      That is JUST WRONG!!!

      It’s NOT Brita’s fault a bunch of unethical, immoral people linked directly to the form (Bypassing Brita’s own required sign-up) or worse still – – the rebate PDF itself!!

      Now — if you are THAT HARD UP for 10 bucks – then that means you must have been pretty hard hit by the economy.
      And why is that?
      Because of the UNETHICAL, IMMORAL, ILLEGAL behavior of companies and the people who worked for them.

      STOP BEING THOSE PEOPLE!!!!  Let’s start showing by example to your own children what the RIGHT THING TO DO IS — and please don’t show them that you will cheat a company for a measly 10-bucks!!!!

      Thanks!!!!  Just forget about it and move on!! STOP TELLING THE WORLD you are cheaters (now that you know the real story) — and better yet — stop telling the world you are teaching your own innocent children to be cheaters — UGH!!!!!!
      thanks!

    • Pittresident

      Lady, don’t be so judgmental. If you read carefully, most of us signed up and did not receive any notification or form. Hence the “request”. 

    • ON SALE at Rite Aid this week!!! (until 1/28)
      Sale price: $15.99
      Submit the Rite Aid Single Check Rebate: $5
      Use with your $4 Q
      Mail in rebate to Brita for $10
      This is a $3 Money Maker!

    • Allisonawilson

      Would someone be so kind to please send me the rebate form? Thanks a bunch!

      allisonawilson@comcast.net

      • GenaKMoon

        Can you send it to me too!  I bought it a week ago and the site no longer has the form :-/  GenaKMoon@aol.com  BIG Thanks!!!

    • Anonymous

      Can someone please send me the rebate form? I will really appreciate it. Thanks!!!

      majorleague96@yahoo.com 

    • Couponlady77

      Sorry- I’ve been out of the loop.  I was so excited about the Brita deal, looked at the form and didn’t print it right off (looked at good until time and thought I had plenty of time)- but purchased my Brita 1 1/2 weeks ago and finally got around to trying to print my rebate form today… yeah, I know.  Would you mind emailing me the PDF?  Thanks!!!  Couponlady77@gmail.com

      • Couponlady77

        Sorry- looked at “good until” time (does that make more sense) :)

    • Jenny Lazzara

      can someone please email me the rebate?? THANKS!!

      couponqueen357@aol.com

    • Wagner2011

      If anyone still has the pdf, can you forward it to me, please?! 

      ms.ashley.thompson at gmail dot com

    • Patti Klumpp

      I had the pdf to the rebate, but my computer freaked out and shut down before I could print it.  Now I can’t locate it.  Would someone please be so kind as to email it to me?  Email is BIGDZMAMA@VERIZON.NET.  Thanks so much!

    • Gerrymccormick

      hey if any one could email me the rebate  that would be great  thank you
      gerrymccormick@comcast.net.     

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    • Jett391

      could someone please email me the Brita rebate, I would greatly appreciate it. jett391@gmail.com
      @gmail:disqus 

    • Bea

      Finally our ocal Walmart got some Brita pitchers on their shelves.  I ju[st bought one and nw you tell me Brita pulled the rebate?!  This really sucks!!!

      • Cheryl

        Why didn’t you print out the rebate info before you bought the pitcher?

    • Kpulcini

      Could someone PLEASE email me the rebate. kpulcini@comcast Thank you very much!!!

    • Cheryl

      I got my $10 rebate in the mail today!! THANK YOU JENNY!!! This was such a good deal. I just happen to catch it the day you posted it… got my pitcher at Walmart, used my coupon and sent off for my rebate… it was a $5 profit. Can’t beat that. Better than free~~ yay.

    • mindyvolv

      if anyone still has a copy of the rebate form can you please send a copy to mindyvolv@hotmail.com.  Thanks in advance.

      • License Nurse85

        If you got it can you send it to me license.nurse85@yahoo.com

      • Julie

        I have the rebate form. Anyone who needs it email me at ligeree2@hotmail.com and will send. Rebate good through end of this month. :)

      • Linda

        Google ‘Brita Rebate’ and you’ll quickly find the form to print.  I got my rebate back last week.

        • Asb

          Brita apparently pulled their rebate acording to an update I saw posted and that is why noone can find it